You don’t need him to transform to be good in hard hitting modes like ESRB, his base form is good enough. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Nobody will hold that against you; Gohan utterly trivializes such titans as UI Goku, SSB Gogeta & Vegito Blue in long stages by the time he reaches them, as he'll easily cut them down by having stacked ATK in the hundreds of percents, and his defense will be so completely unsurmountable that the enemy may as well forfeit. That’s crazy lol. “Well obviously teq ultimate gohan has the best effects,” an idiot might say. Well, it's precisely because there are many units that contain at least two of these benefits, and in some scenarios, all three. Part 1: Stacking isn't as busted as many seem to think. ". He isn't a good leader, or nearly a good as support but Gohan is just a better tank, which is what you need for ESBR. Part 2: Stacking defense, but at what cost? He simply has links that are too inconsistent on average to generate much ATK value for himself or his allies. But in this case, Gohan is actually WORSE than cell offensively. The only downside to this team is the amount of STR units in it, but you could fix that by changing your friend or lead with Super Vegito if need be. Not enough damage to matter, though. TEQ TRANSFORMING ULTIMATE GOHAN BANNER SUMMONS! So while I appreciate Gohan's value in an IDBH/LGE setting.. His short term defensive value is very much not very impressive. He wrote an entire thesis just to be wrong in the end. So, the question immediately becomes 'Is Cooler's offensive output stronger than Gohan's defensive edge?' Meaning no matter who hits him, it's nothing. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Meaning from that same turn 3 benchmark, Frieza blows Gohan completely out of the water both offensively AND defensively. If your a Gohan fan then yep... Got new TEQ Ult. Hi! More posts from the DBZDokkanBattle community. I'll see you fellas for the INT Kid buu eza! ESBR is currently, in my opinion, the only 'hard' content in the game - LGE / IDBH has been powercrept to hell. Literally the only thing gohan has on her is the leader skill. Privacy PolicyCookie SettingsDo Not Sell My InformationReport Ad. Stream Dokkan Battle Earrape — TEQ Transforming Ultimate Gohan.mp3 by Demonitized afro from desktop or your mobile device Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. This is a free tool that helps you find the best linking partner for any … Today we're going with a slightly more adversarial topic. And you forget that Gohan also has guard against every typing, he doesn't have type disadvantage when it comes to defense. Access to an active skill transformation relatively early on in the fight to allow you flexibility to choose if you want to remain more defensively / supportively focused, or instead shift into a more complete "attack mode". so my take on that is as follows (also i am not the most creative when it comes to names for characters) As kariru said, guard is nearly equivalent to a 55% damage reduction, so from a 300k sa, cooler would take 176k and gohan literally 0 damage, that's a pretty big point in gohan's favour I think, doesn't matter if you hit harder, it only matters if you actually survive. An excellent way to consider Gohan as a unit is by his value for stacking in long content. This is sort of going back to my roots in a way; I'm going to break down the strengths of a unit, compare and contrast them to what other information is out there, and we'll see where that leaves us on an overall scale to determine if a unit is as strong as many people claim. I mean you make good points, the only thing is that Gohan’s stack is 50% per turn so it’s not really a slow starter imo. Ummm... no. Ok let's say you bring gohan and cooler in category esbr, you have both of them at 55% because you are not a Swiss bank. The list REALLY could go on for quite a while. It's really very simple; The end result is that both of them will tank against any received normal attack with no effort; And Gohan's defensive value only begins to win out against Super attacks at this stage, receiving about 50k or so damage on average, whereas Cooler would receive approximately double to a little over double that; Let's say around 120k or so to be perfectly safe. I don't have 4 of those units... didn't pull on PHY Piccolo or INT Future Gohan so those two are needed, of course the new TEQ one, and the new Supreme Kai. Gohan suffers from two issues when we look at his attack per turn objectively. One of my least favorite DFE units is "INT LR Cell", who, because of his low overall damage, poor synergistic links, and over-reliance on defense to generate value, is overly lauded as a 'difficult mode killer'. I'm simply deconstructing the notion that Gohan is the best in the game, as it's harmful - from my viewpoint - to perpetuate a stereotype that simply isn't true. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Thanks to u/kariru2, u/LR_AlternativeForce, & u/wipiccioni, I was able to create a great list of defensive and offensive comparisons to hold Gohan accountable to. The ability to consistently debuff your enemy - primarily through lowering ATK or Sealing Supers. Thanks so much for reading if you reached this point naturally! Either way, whether you disagree with me and want to hit me over the head with a large, flat rock - please do not do that - or loved and agreed with all my points.. not only would I be lying - I like the unit - but I can't give a good point of comparison as to whether or not he really is as good as people claim. Posted In Uncategorized | No comments . I couldn't have made this post without them. (Dokkan Battle) Movie Heroes Stage of Super Battle Road Cleared! However.. Transformation Boost + Terrifying Conquerors just covers such a gigantic spread of units that it's like Cooler cheated and grabbed the best leader skill first. It's just that whenever you consider the fact that Gohan is basically generating surplus defensive value - being far too tanky where the need for such a thing is basically entirely unnecessary almost immediately after he begins to stack his defense - and lacks a lot of the offensive value that'd go into making him TRULY shine, his problems begin to become glaring. Not only are his links generally poor for generating ATK link value, but no single partner in the game exists that activates more than 4 of his links simultaneously that has any worth being run on a main rotation; And it makes matters even worse that if you DO reach his 5 turn transformation, He'll regularly completely ruin the partner you run with him.. As his links almost completely change. Hey look at Phy VB, in comparison Cooler is poor because who needs support buffs, have you seen this counter damage? I do not intend to change your mind on that front! - My answer is an overwhelming yes. AGL Baby, STR SV, AGL SSJ4 Goku - But let's make a poignant statement very quickly. First of all; there are two or three core mechanics Gohan lacks that I think you have trouble calling any unit #1 or absolutely top tier if they lack. The ability to have defensive value that isn't only reliant on stacking defense and a guard - Primarily through dodging or damage negation. Unit that blew your mind when you used it? It doesn't matter if you can output 5 million damage a turn if you take 350K from a Super. I'm not doing this to bash or attack anyone; And nobody in specific will be named during this post. Information, guides, tips, news, fan art, questions and everything else Dokkan Battle related. You're right about Gohan not being the best, but you're really downplaying his turn 1 defense. Then we have : I mean, my 1 dupe Gohan has like 200K defense with only 1 stack, while outputting a 3 mil attack stat. Five turns until you can finally reach the apex of your strength is pretty problematic - Many units are doing it in only three turns, and in Frieza, Beerus, and many LR's cases - they just do it from the first turn with no worry. 100% POTENTIAL SYSTEM NEW TRANSFORMING ULTIMATE GOHAN SHOWCASE + OST. This is part of a phenomenon I refer to as 'Surplus defense'. Many units that have a focus on access to quick and easy defensive and offensive prowess far outpace him in the short term, which makes things complicated for him, especially when many of these units do exceptionally well on long events, as well. Which is his second issue. × Dbz Mystic Gohan Theme Mp3 Download Download Gohan Theme mp3 file at 320kbps high quality on your android, ios or pc!. Gohan, meanwhile, with 50% defense from links and a single defense stack from his super attack, will sit at 261,112. Never argue with an idiot they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Tl;dr - Gohan defense rly good, but he has too much of it, and would like to have much more ATK to be considered a truly excellent unit. Cooler easily doubles Gohan's offensive value in a matter of turns, crushing enemies into dust where Gohan would ping them for a sizable chunk of HP in contrast. that depends on what you think is good. Cell easily outdoes his attack per turn by well over 2mil, and has maybe 30-40k less defense on average, which, in practice, is effectively nothing - just like it is for many other units on this list. If people rate gohan so highly, why don't the rate str kale higher when she is better at almost everything? But I don't! Which, upon transforming, Frieza has a great chance to stun any enemy he attacks for a single turn. Also can’t discount the fact that he’s one of the best units without dupes. But the problem is less that he's "hard to beat" and more that there are units that surpass him in every way; Both defensively in the short term, and offensively in the long term. PSN ID: uric Dokkan Friend ID: 1207835651, Oh boy can’t wait to spend the next several days with 0 things of any interest. Press J to jump to the feed. Not only does Cooler also stack attack upon transforming, but he links quite well with his partners - giving them quite a bit of surplus damage and attack, as well - but Cooler's guaranteed crit against much of the game's content in conjunction with his already high output transformed makes this a no contest situation. Lots of comments saying he's the best TUR show up in not so many words across many outlets in the subreddit, so, I think I'd like to challenge those claims. Whenever people continually claim he's the best in the game, you need to compare him against the best in the game; As you can't be the best TUR in the game when the actual existing best TUR already surpasses many LRs. not because of how well they do, but because of the things they do being different, because of their categories, their links, and so on. Cooler doesn't even counter at all, and by the way here are a bunch of LRs who do more damage than Cooler. Cooler taking 10k damage from a type advantaged normal is a drop in the bucket. But let's actually talk about it before I pump anyone up too much about if stacking is good or bad. So only a 65k difference, that is if you don't consider guard. So, we're going to make a bulleted list that goes through fast facts of units that either offensively surpass Gohan, defensively surpass him, or do both. There are a couple of reasons for this, but for now.. Let's talk about the defensive abilities Gohan DOESN'T have, that are basically invaluable for things such as ESBR - which, in my opinion, is hands down the most difficult content. However if there's even a single AGL enemy, you have to hide Cooler from them. This subreddit is for both the Japanese and Global version. Bear in mind that teams nowadays, especially ones with that cooler is best on, have over 500k health. His lead is infinitely better; Even after a whole year after releasing, Cooler's lead is basically incomparable to any other in the game. TEQ Jiren - comparable high defense, stuns foes, reliable access to an extremely strong active that also stuns foes and further boosts defense while having far superior dmg, AGL Caulifla & Kale - Comparable defense with much higher defensive value due to dodging; Much superior offense, STR SSJ4 Vegeta - Much higher defense even at turn 3 or later - Much higher damage even without factoring in the strength of an active skill, which will easily obliterate most foes, INT Godku - Easily crushes Gohan defensively by having a very comparable DEF after super in conjunction with a 50% dodge chance, this unit rarely receives significant damage while blowing Gohan's output completely out of the water, PHY Beerus - The defensive difference between Gohan & Beerus is miniscule after Beerus receives an attack, whereas the offensive difference between the two is comparable to the Marianas trench, STR UI - Laughably outdoes Gohan defensively after dodging a few times - and this is again ignoring the fact that this dude has a 70% chance to dodge in the first place - and again, Gohan has weaker ATK, SSBKK & SSBE - After orb collection, this guys easily break 230k plus def - And it goes without saying Gohan's DMG is miniscule comparatively, PHY Majin Buu (Gotenks) - He has gohan's turn 3 defense turn 1, he heals 12-15% per turn, easy access to an insanely busted kit, far better leader - gohan isn't even a drop of water in the ocean compared to Buu's dmg output, AGL Gohan - Stronger offensively by a mile, very comparable defensively; Although this one is somewhat ironic as I suspect many of TEQ Gohan's strongest allies also love this unit. You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. This means they have inimitable value on long events such as IDBH & LGE, and when you combine that with a permanent guard, that makes Gohan very hard to beat in value indeed. Gohan, INT Future Gohan, STR Ult. At rainbow pretty much any top tier unit is amazing tbh. I do think people are giving Gohan WAY too much credit. In terms of short-term defense and offense, Gohan simply doesn't 'stack' up to the competition particularly well. Yeah the fact he starts by saying Cooler is the best and then works his way back, discounting what Gohan does best without accounting for guard and by comparing him to a bunch of LRs who don't guard is... pretty sus. His versatility outside of stacking ATK&DEF is also much to be desired, and he links poorly with almost everyone. Cooler, linked with phy cooler on a wicked bloodline team (future esbr probably) has a defence of 124,657. Everything Dragon Ball Z: Dokkan Battle! Those events have been clearable entirely F2P for months, and every major banner unit since that point has hardly been weak. If your a Gohan fan then yep... Got new TEQ Ult. And Gohan's defensive value only begins to win out against Super attacks at this stage, receiving about 50k or so damage on average, whereas Cooler would receive approximately double to a little over double that; Let's say around 120k or so to be perfectly safe. Simply put, when compared to the two top-tier MMC options, Gohan falters. In fact, I want the opposite - I want anyone who loves Gohan to continue to unashamedly love him because it's dope when people find joy in things. I've ALREADY made a hit piece on INT LR Cell in the past explaining that his defensive value is insignificant compared to his offensive value.. .. How do I deal with SSJ3 Goku in Ultimate Clash? At other times, he'll feel like a very mid-tier unit because that's what he is in those contextual situations. But let's talk about defensive facts; Cooler on turn 3 facing anyone who's a Pure Saiyan or Hybrid sayian - something he has well over half the game to face - will output him with no support @ 187,000 defense. So Gohan's Defense is Higher; But what does this mean, practically? This one’s for you Ultimate Gohan fans. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Gohan would take around 50k, but Cooler would take no less than 200k from a type neutral super, and that's being generous. Stream Dragon Ball Dokkan Battle TEQ Transforming Ultimate Gohan OST by Cleoisbestowaifu from desktop or your mobile device There’s literally f*** all to do. All of the units here will easily and casually have extremely similar defensive performance while completely and easily outdoing him in an attack focused setting. Why couldn’t they just drop him tomorrow or even tonight? But for a unit to be considered a 'Best' unit, they have to have this sort of consistent power across ALL stages of the game. FULL 55% SHOWCASE FOR LR TEQ SSJ2 GOHAN! Gohan has a defence, after his first super attack of 189,842 linked with future gohan int on an hybrid saiyans esbr. JP Dokkan Battle Discussion #83: 6th year anniversary hype! My personal descriptor for Gohan is that he's a very middle of the road unit; In some events, you will be utterly shocked by his performance, and be astonished they released a card this busted. Later! Gohan takes a LONG time to get going. We're going to attack Gohan's most illustrious aspect first, as without this leg to stand on, I think he instantly becomes a far weaker unit in many ways. Even normal attacks that are type advantage against him will deal quite a bit of damage. teq transforming gohan dokkan. Well, yeah.. That's unfortunately what you need to do to deconstruct a unit. First of all, STR Cooler is hands down a better unit in every way compared to Gohan. at least my stone stockpile will have a chance to recover. DBZ-Gohan Powers Up Theme HD ... song mp3, Ultimate gohan song full song download, Ultimate gohan song hd, .... DRAGON BALL Z DOKKAN BATTLE is the one of the best DRAGON BALL mobile game experiences available. Gohan is NOT bad, and anyone who tries to frame him as such is frankly on some bullshit. LR TEQ Gohan Obliterates! This is all BEFORE transforming.. Why are these three things so valuable? This took a lot of effort and research to compile, and I could not have done it alone. It's really very simple; The end result is that both of them will tank against any received normal attack with no effort; In category ESBR, Cooler's 187k defense isn't really going to be as impressive as you chalk it up to be. Thus it's obvious that Cooler is mid /s. Fresh global with 4x copies gohan teq ssj2 new. By making use of the new TEQ Gohan and the Vegito pairs, this team is well-rounded and ready to take on long and short events with minimal effort. Transforming Gohan Idea Fluff ive been thinking about how we dont have a proper str or int transforming unit like the teq frieza, agl goku, and phy vegeta and id love a gohan unit to be an option too. Dragon Ball Z: Dokkan Battle is a free-to-play mobile game based on the Dragon Ball franchise. Cookies help us deliver our Services. i dont think he can be compared to cooler, and other units. Teq ultimate gohan greatly stacks atk and def infinitely but that’s too much atk and def so str ultimate gohan is better. Some might consider it unfair to compare Gohan to units like LRs.. 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